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How Do You Know You’re Ready For Active Investing?

Posted By PK    Last updated May 16th, 2012 17 Comments

My Fantasy Portfolio Returns vs. S&P 500 at Updown.com

If you read my recent article on my returns as an active investor, you’ll note that for years I invested in mutual funds before ever putting a single dollar into an individual stock.

I mean, what gives?  At what point did my confidence (ego?) allow me to make the leap from a passive investor to an active investor?

Thousands of Pages of Reading

I tend to over-analyze a lot of things (do you read this site?).  Since the day I started investing I knew that eventually I would have at least some of my portfolio in individual stocks.  I started investing as a low emotion, low information investor years ago, and put all of my investments into stock mutual funds in my 401(k).  Here is how I got that idea:

Me (on phone with my father): Dad, what’s a 401(k)?
Dad: A section of the tax code and a retirement account.  Do you get a match?
Me: Yeah, 4%.
Dad: You’re young, so contribute at least up to the 401(k) match, and if you get interested in this stuff you can eventually move it.
Me: Sounds dumb, but okay.

Of course, he was the smart one, and I was just a naive intern at the time.

That summer was when I “became interested in that stuff”, and I started to devour everything I could read.  Most of my research at the time involved buying books, and I still have my dogeared copies of A Random Walk Down Wall Street and later The Intelligent Asset Allocator.  Of course I read all the Bogle books at that time, and basically anything related that I could get my hands on.  One book, however, was not like the others… The Intelligent Investor by Benjamin Graham.

Buy Individual Stocks?  You don’t say…

At the risk of sounding like some of the earlier books in the King James Bible, Graham begot Graham and Dodd who begot Buffett, who begot Lynch who begot others, on and on.  From that point until today, I have pretty much only read books on investor psychology, derivatives, and investing in individual stocks (and other securities).

The hardest part was not jumping into the markets until I thought I was ready.  I had all of this book knowledge, but like Matt Damon in Good Will Hunting “There [was] nothing [I could] tell [you] that [you] can’t read somewhere else.”

Obtaining Practical Knowledge With None of The Risk

Years after I had started investing (and yes, years after I had started reading about individual stocks) the Internet investing community had matured to the point that some web sites held stock contests.  I finally was able to put my knowledge to the test – but, alas, most contests had a short term view of the markets.  It wasn’t until web sites started offering longer view portfolios that I started caring.  One such portfolio tracking tool was at Morningstar, and I still have some of my early test portfolios saved on my username.

The Updown Portfolio I have above is the only portfolio I still touch, fantasy wise, because I like to compete with some of my friends head to head and let it track my trades for me.  The graph above is from November 2008 through today and shows roughly a 121% annual return (take that, S&P 500).  Even though, as you saw in my last article, I couldn’t quite touch that in real life (to say the least) I still highly suggest you spend at least a year or two with a fantasy portfolio before taking the plunge.  Even if you do well in fantasy, note that:

  • Just like with a game of poker with no real money on the line, you will take unnecessary risks when you don’t have money on the line.  This may make your returns unrealistic.
  • 1-2 years usually means you’re only trying your strategies in one type of market.  It takes decades to test a strategy with confidence (if it’s a mechanical system, Google back-testing to try your luck).
  • Luck can also explain excess returns…

Taking The Plunge!

If you’ve got the depth of knowledge you can build from reading books and the internet and some of the experiential knowledge from fantasy portfolios?  You’re as ready as you’ll ever be.  Of course, I caution you to start small with a portion of your portfolio which it wouldn’t be the end of the world if you somehow lost (I’m 38 months in and individual stocks are a bit less than 20% of my net worth).

If you’ve done all those things?  Welcome to the world of investing in individual stocks.  Good luck!

Do you invest in individual stocks, if not, will you ever?  When did you buy the first of your portfolio?  What proportion of your portfolio is dedicated to individual stocks?

 

 


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  • JT

    The first stock I ever owned was Dollar General. I was absolutely fascinated with how low their COGS was. Same thing with Dollar Tree. Heh, dollar stores still intrigue me. The selection is always weird and different every visit. This was like 10 years ago, and I’ve since decided I don’t really like retail all that much. Investors Business Daily (I think it was IBD) had a free service where you could order printed annual reports online. I’d order them by the box for high-quality childhood reading. (Things I try to forget…) I need to find that service again, as printed annual reports are way better than the terrible online filings.

    Obligatory: If you read The Intelligent Investor, you HAVE TO read Security Analysis. Also, Margin of Safety by Seth Klarman. (Margin of Safety is like $1,000 now because it’s out of print and considered a collectable among serious value investors. You can find free PDFs of it online, though. ;) ) Those two books are so chock full of wisdom that I wouldn’t even bother reading anything else.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      General Electric for me – I love a turnaround play (and hey, it turned around from the 7.66 I bought it at).

      SA – yeah, that’s the bible. After II It’s almost mandatory – Stock Trading 101 and 201, I guess.
      Thanks for the call on Klarman, I added him to my reading list. I actually ran across him a few times investing – either beating him into a stock, or later finding out that he was already in. Latest example (and full disclosure: I still own it)? PDLI, where his cost basis is somewhere in the 5s.

      • http://moneymamba.com/ JT

        Klarman tends to like those weird bio plays. Needless to say, I don’t run into him too often. Paulson tends to show up in a lot of trades I like. Kind of fun to look at the big names in securities you own.

        • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

          Yeah that’s why the DM;BI surprised me so much on the tech side. Go figure.

          I’ve run into Klarman a few times. You can’t hate on me for my Bio plays – I used to work off Route 128 near Boston where there is loads of Bio. It’s in my genes or something…

  • http://www.mastertheartofsaving.com/ Jen @ Master the Art of Saving

    I don’t invest in individual stocks right now, I’d just end up losing money. I do plan to later on though, once I get some knowledge about all this crazy stuff. :-)

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      There’s no need to rush into it – but there probably isn’t a need to wait as long as I did, haha. I’ve been interested in individual stocks for like a decade, but I didn’t take the plunge until 2009 – go figure…

  • http://www.easyfinance.com/ Tom@easyfinance

    Thanks a lot for this bit of information. I have had gone through a loss by investing into active stock. So I am a bit skeptical before reinvesting again. Its better to have a thorough research and precautions before investing your savings rather than losing the principle amount and repent it later.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      It’s better to be lucky than good – and maybe it’s all just an illusion. How do you invest now?

  • http://twitter.com/familymoneyblog John Preston

    I’d almost be afraid to have the pretend returns you’ve earned, but still, I’ve got cold feet about active investing and I think your method would be a good way to dip my toe in the waters.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      I’m unbelievably pretend rich in UpDown – north of $5,000,000. Real earnings back from when they used to pay out? Around $5.00.

      But seriously, you want something that will let you practice for a while. UpDown isn’t bad because it’s sort of a game atmosphere with well defined rules, and Morningstar would make you enter transaction costs/whatever. Try them both out and report back on what you think?

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  • http://www.WellKeptWallet.com/ Deacon

    What if you have debt? Where does investing fit into the equation then?

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Hey Deacon, I pulled this article from the archives about ‘investing in your debt‘.

      The important thing to think about is the tax equivalent yield – if stocks more or less return 7% in an average year, because you pay your debt after tax is taken out you need to factor tax on your stock investments when you decide to pay it down – so 5% debt may be a better option. For the most part, it’s a better investment to pay off many types of debt before investing – with a few exceptions, like mortgages (where I suggest not paying off a mortgage quickly).

      Additionally – debt is guaranteed. Stock market returns? You may be down for years – so on balance, you should usually pay off your debts before tossing cash into the market.

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