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Is Social Security a Good Investment?

Posted By PK    Last updated February 16th, 2013 27 Comments

It may be hard to recall now, but in 2004 a President won his election while promising to reform Social Security to allow private accounts.  George Bush ultimately failed at that goal, but with Social Security again in the limelight during the whole “Fiscal Cliff” overreaction, we wanted to toss some facts out there to see if the universe is still listening.

Social Security Was Never Meant to Replace Your Entire Income…

Now, we at DQYDJ may swim against the tide quite a bit. Still, we recognize that the odds that one piece of the fiscal cliff bargain is some sort of private Social Security account option are approximating 0%.  We also recognize that the low-ish payouts on Social Security are somewhat by design – they were always meant to be supplemental to savings in some other form.  Regardless, increasing OASDI levies have squeezed out other forms of defined benefit retirement plans, and moved many companies to defined contribution plans.  These facts alone have contributed to a growing wealth gap versus people making more than the Social Security limit.  Additionally, there is an undeniable push by some parties to have Social Security pay out even more benefits.

Let’s pretend private accounts are actually on the table.  I wanted to go back and do the math for some typical workers – would they have been better off under the current system of Social Security, or better off if they had invested their FICA taxes directly in the S&P 500.  And how do you perform that wizardry?  Simple – I created that tool myself, and you can locate my S&P Dividend Reinvestment Calculator here on DQYDJ.  Open it in a new tab and go play with it later.

Okay, you know how to reproduce my data (if you don’t I provide a worksheet later in ods format).  Let’s dig in!

An ‘Average’ Worker.

How do you define an average worker?  Seems like a tricky question to answer – so I didn’t even attempt it.  All of the math on this page is based on two ‘typical’ workers who have earnings histories laid out on a page on the ssa.gov site.  On top of that, I retrieved the history of OASDI tax rates from the Tax Policy Center.

Worker ‘A’ made roughly $40,000 – $45,000 in 2012 dollars annually, while worker B was really unlucky and earned exactly the Social Security taxation limit for every year he was in the workforce (from $10,800 in 1973 to $110,100 in 2012).  Worker A accepts benefits at age 62, and worker B at age 65 (see the site for details).  Monthly, A will receive $1,605.98.  B will receive $2,404.73.  And workers A and B in our Bizarro-World of private accounts, invested in the S&P 500 over their careers?  Worker A finishes with $730,710.02, while worker B finishes with $1,589,151.22.

worker_a_private

Converting a Lump Sum to a Cash Flow

A oft-quoted rule of thumb of a ‘safe withdrawal rate’ is 4% – a number which likely isn’t completely safe.  So, let’s try a few methods to figure out what sort of cash flow you could attain:

Worker A – $730,710.02 / 25 / 12 = $2,435.70 (Worker A is 51.7% better off with the Private Account)
Worker B – $1,589,151.22 / 25 / 12 = $5,297.17 (Worker B is 120.28% better off with the Private Account)

But wait, I’m cheating – and it’s in favor of Social Security.  You see, when a beneficiary and spouse die, that money is no more.  Depending on account setup, a private account may have money remaining to pass down between generations.  However, let’s try to compare apples to apples here, and assume that money is invested directly into an annuity which is inflation adjusted (sort of like the COLA from Social Security) and will continue to be paid at 50% if the main beneficiary dies if his or her spouse is still living.

I’m going to use the annuity calculator on the Thrift Savings Plan website to do this instead of a private sector calculator (with spouse set to the same age as A or B).

Worker A – $730,710.02  = $2,102.00 (Worker A is 30.9% better off with the Private Account)
Worker B – $1,589,151.22 = $5,407.00 (Worker B is 124.85% better off with the Private Account)

No Contest

Note that the annuity interest rates quoted are incredibly low – 1.75% versus highs of near 5% in 2008… so you’re looking at the bottom of the barrel in annuity quotes.  Read that again – the worst annuity rates we’ve ever seen are still better than the return you get from Social Security if you are retiring this year.  If you are retiring in 10, 20 years?  Odds are you won’t even come close.  The only time Social Security will beat the private sector (maybe…) is with an early career disability or death of a breadwinner without disability insurance.  Outside of that?  Not going to happen.  In effect, Social Security is squeezing the investment opportunities of people with less income – regressivity in disguise.

The truth is, a private account invested in the S&P 500 would have destroyed anything the Government has to offer – and this is for workers who started working in 1973 during some of the worst economic conditions in history, and are finishing in some similar situations.  You truly are comparing the worst of the private world versus the highest benefits Social Security will have (and probably the lowest OASDI tax rates we’ll see).  Also, I’m not estimating second order effects, but odds are a massive influx of money into the stock market would have some effect on the price of the S&P 500 Index (I’m being facetious, but I didn’t want to add any assumptions).

So, if you’re against private accounts, please explain your reasoning. From here on my spreadsheet (download it below), they look like a no-brainer.

ssworksheet

 


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  • http://www.americandebtproject.com/ American Debt Project

    I think you are really honest in your math-wizardry and think your assumptions are fair, however, I am a true simpleton and just want to know how it would work out for Worker A or Worker B if they decided to retire in say, 2002 or 2008/9 where your chart for Worker A shows quite a dip? If they begin withdrawing at that point and not contributing…how does that work out for them?

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Sure, absolutely. However, I would require (in the case of worker A) a way to fill in the blanks for the earlier years, since we’d have to guess at his/her earnings. Worker B can merely just make the maximum. Also – I relied on the SSA site on estimating benefits for this article, I’d have to try to figure those out myself (potential source of error). Any suggestions on the first part?

      • http://www.americandebtproject.com/ American Debt Project

        Worker A started at $25K a year at age 20 and increased at $1-2K/year through 2009, when they turned 65? It’s a bleak earnings situation but not one that I think is uncommon for a large portion of the population.

        • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

          How embarrassing!

          Although I think it would be infinitely more annoying to be Worker ‘B’. She started at ~$10,000 and every year Congress or the formula decided 100% of her paycheck would be taxed by OASDI. Talk about not getting a break…

  • AverageJoe

    The only flaw I see now is that you placed the money in the S&P 500. Imagine the headlines whenever the market tanks with everyone’s Social Security wrapped up in it. I’d rather see a set interest rate like 4% or a much more conservative mix of stocks/bonds. That’s more likely.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Undoubtedly there would be additional options, but I wanted to look at the worst case… so using just the S&P 500 was by design. You’ve got an index which hasn’t gone too far in a decade, and you’ve got workers retiring who got into a market which… wasn’t going too far. Basically, you’re looking at some of the worst years for the S&P (and some of the best in the 80s and 90s), combined with truly horrible annuity rates – so I thought it would be interesting if you still came out on top.

      But yes for the record, if I was dictator for a day I would include stock/bond and bond funds, at a minimum, to private accounts, haha. Some people can’t deal with the higher volatility that stocks have, no matter how many happy articles are posted on second-rate financial sites!

  • http://twitter.com/krantcents krantcents

    I believe in multiple streams of income including Social Security, pensions, IRAs, Roth IRAs and savings. Private accounts assume a risk just like a 401K and you need some security that you have some guaranteed income in retirement. In the same way, young people rarely start saving for retirement in their 20s, why should they safeguard their savings with fixed income. Social Security is supposed to be a safety net.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      I believe any private account would have a disclaimer like in Chile: if the value of the private account was somehow less than the value which would have been previously guaranteed under SS, you could pick that formula. Note that Chile has never paid out on that promise (and they set the contribution age at 20 years minimum).

  • Bichon

    Where’s the analysis for the workers who become disabled at age 32 (we all know, the “average” worker has inadequate disability insurance). It would also be interesting to see the analysis for the workers’ beneficiaries after they kick the bucket prematurely.

    Comparing SS as an investment will always lead one to believe they are getting ripped off. Especially if you have properly saved and prepared. Now an insurance product, you don’t hear too many people complaining they’ll never get their life insurance premiums back in the form of a benefit (that’s a joke….wahhh, waaaahhhh).

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      In any future I can currently imagine, Social Security will remain as ‘forced’ savings/insurance/tax/whatever you want to call it (investment?). I don’t see it disappearing, per se, more like stealing Chile’s ideas and running with them. Oh, I don’t see it happening in the next months, haha.

      As for the 32 year old – I am limited in my knowledge of how to set it up. I don’t know how to figure out what that sort of insurance would cost 30 or 27 years ago, but I can give years/amounts amassed for a 32 year old, birthdays in December:

      Worker ‘A’, 32 in Dec-83, has $23,205.84. Worker ‘B’, 32 in Dec-79 has $8,060.82. (Both raw, unadjusted for inflation).

      If you were to set up mandatory disability insurance, I wouldn’t know where to start – but maybe you know of a way to figure out historical quotes? I’m assuming we’d force A and B to contribute?

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      By the way, did you see two sites took on the historical tax data? New York Times and Quartz.

  • freeby50

    Social security is not an investment. Its a tax funded pay-go safety net.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      I understand this isn’t on the table, and hasn’t been for 7 years. I’m just tossing it out here so someone will tell me I’m brilliant in… say… another 7 years?

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  • Joe

    I think that government interference vis a vis what people can invest in has significantly limited options to the point where people almost exclusively put their money in public financial markets. Because of asset demand theory, as more people invest returns will decrease — if everybody actually held a private account and saved what we (as financial bloggers) say they should save, then not only would consumption would collapse but so would the returns/values of retirement accounts. Everything from the SEC to 401ks encourage standard business models and punish innovation, new companies, crowdsourcing, etc.

  • Joe

    I think that government interference vis a vis what people can invest in has significantly limited options to the point where people almost exclusively put their money in public financial markets. Because of asset demand theory, as more people invest returns will decrease — if everybody actually held a private account and saved what we (as financial bloggers) say they should save, then not only would consumption would collapse but so would the returns/values of retirement accounts. Everything from the SEC to 401ks encourage standard business models and punish innovation, new companies, crowdsourcing, etc.

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  • 101 Centavos

    In any government “retirement” scheme, the management fees are the killer.

    Were SS to be replicated in the open marketplace, the responsible parties would be doing the perp walk in no time at all.

    Bernie Madoff was a rank amateur by comparison.

  • Brick By Brick Investing

    Social Security was a FANTASTIC investment 30 years ago. Unfortunately for this generation it will be an awful investment because they will only get pennies on the dollar of what they put in.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Oh, yes, a tremendous investment – the first few people out didn’t pay that much into the system at all… and escaped with a great return, haha. I think the later you get in the worse you’ll do, especially if the birth rate stays too low to support the current retirees.

      So, toss me in the private account fan club, ha.

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  • http://simplyrichlife.wordpress.com/ Simply Rich Life

    Is there any way to opt out? Over here it just takes a private corporation that pays you with dividends instead of a salary and you can bypass another low-value government program to invest on your own (in addition to all the other fun tax-planning you can do with the corporation).

    • http://simplyrichlife.wordpress.com/ Simply Rich Life

      Oh, and I’m against private accounts for everyone else :) The average investor can’t even get close to the average return. I can only imagine what kind of horrors would be legislated if everyone took their potential contributions to government programs, lost them in the market, and needed to be bailed out without paying for it 40 years ahead of time. Or maybe that would drive up returns for wiser investors and compensate for the extra taxes in the future…

      • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

        Haha, yeah, people tend to sell bottoms and buy tops. Of course, once I was dictator I’d put insurance in place like Chile – and say you will get at least Social Security’s normal benefits. If you beat it? Great, you get more. If you’re still scared? You can just keep the current system. But I’ll never make it so someone comes up short of what we do today.

        Chile has never paid out on that insurance, by the way.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      For all intents and purposes, no, not if you’re currently in the system. That said, a few counties in Texas were able to opt out around 30 years ago (a fascinating story). They, of course, destroyed the current performance. The other group which is exempt is government workers from before the Reagan reforms – so if someone has been working for the government for that long it’s possible they never entered the system.

      So, I guess the answer is ‘no’, unless you were already on your own.

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