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Quit Worrying About Greece and MF Global!

Posted By PK    Last updated November 3rd, 2011 12 Comments

Greece – let’s call it what it is: a beautiful country with some horrible systemic problems.  If you’ve been living under or behind a human-sized rock for the last few years, Greece is in the midst of a huge, solidarity-threatening fiscal crisis related to the fact that they have a debt much larger than their GDP- in 2011 those numbers are estimated at 354.7 Billion Euros of debt, or 161.8% of their GDP.  Those are some hefty ratios for a sovereign entity to be carrying around – the equivalent of $161,800 of debt for someone making $100,000.

Greek has worked itself into a situation which is quickly demanding a rough decision.  Greece pretty much has two options: either (when I say Greece, I mean the people of Greece – but that referendum might be canceled) accept austerity measures handed down from the rest of the European Union nations, or leave the Eurozone, default on their debt, and bring back the drachma.  Neither is very enticing: the first isn’t guaranteed to work, and the second, defaulting on debt, is never a fun situation since foreign investment will quickly dry up.

This article is more concerned with the second possibility.  What does a Greek default mean for you and your investments?

The S&P 500′s Massive Overreaction to the Greek Referendum

The Greek Drachma

The Greek Drachma (Wikipedia)

When the Greek referendum was announced over the weekend, that news and the news of the bankruptcy of MF Global (among other things for making huge Eurozone debt bets) drove the S&P from a close of 1,285.09 on Friday to a close at 1,218.28 on Tuesday – a drop of 5.2% in only 2 trading days.  Keep this number in mind: In 2010, Greece’s Gross Domestic Product was $304.865 Billion, according to The World Bank.

The S&P 500 indexes 500 of the largest most representative companies of the United States, and is weighted by Market Capitalization.  Market Cap is the value of a firm based upon the number of shares and their trading price.  At a level of 1218.28, the total S&P Market Cap was $11,096,409,020,000 (yep, $11 trillion).  Assuming market cap stays constant (I’m ignoring things like dividends for this analysis), every point in the S&P represents $9,108,258,380.67 in market cap.  So, from Friday to Tuesday, the S&P 500 shed $608,522,742,412.56, which is roughly twice as large as the entire GDP of Greece.

Greece’s Part on the World (And the European) Stage

According to The World Bank, the world’s GDP was $63.044 Trillion in 2010, meaning Greece was .48% of the world’s economy.  When Russia defaulted on its bonds in 1998, their world GDP share in 1997 was 1.34% of the world, while Argentina’s share in 2001 (one year before their 2002 default) was .84%.  Those two defaults were harsh – but they didn’t end the world. (More on the Russian default in a second).

According to Eurostat (2010 numbers), Greece is only 2.48% of the Eurozone’s economy.  The largest share, of course, belongs to Germany – 26.99% by GDP.  The largest stock in the S&P 500, depending on the day, is either Exxon Mobil or Apple Inc.  At approximate market caps of $370 Billion, either company represents 3.33% of the index.

A Side Note, on the Bankruptcy of MF Capital

One thing I’m glazing over in this article is the possible domino effect from a Greek default.  Greece may be the so called canary in the coal mine – the first in the list of Ireland, Portugal, and Spain (and Italy?) to default.  That’s a huge deal – certainly something to keep an eye on.  Which brings me to MF Global…

S&P After Greece Decided to Call a Referendum (Yahoo! Finance)

S&P 500 After Greece Decided to Call a Referendum (Since canceled!)

MF Global is not Long Term Capital Management, the hedge fund which had to be bailed out in 1998 with a leverage of 250:1 (and debts of $100 Billion) after Russia defaulted on its debt driving global debt yields haywire.  MF Global‘s bankruptcy came at a “more orderly” leverage of 44:1 (and liabilities north of $40 Billion) after making an ill-advised $6 Billion bet on Eurozone debt.  $40 Billion in 2011 is not the same as $100 Billion in 1997.  Note: that same World Bank Source tells us that the US had a GDP of $14.582 Trillion in 2010, and $8.741 Trillion in 1998.

Your Portfolio

While all of these market events play out, those of us who invest need to know what we should do.  Here’s my point: the markets weathered Argentina, and they even weathered Russia and Long Term Capital Management.  They can surely handle a Greek default.  As long as the fundamentals of a stock are sound – and other than some banks (and insurers, who have large investment portfolios) which may get caught in the storm – dips might be a good time to buy.  Of course, due diligence still applies, and ask an adviser if you need individualized help… but note that any large market moves to the downside could be just the buying opportunity you need to juice returns after a strong October.

Good luck out there, and hit up the comments!

 


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  • http://mybrokencoin.com Aloysa

    You wrote it just for me! I am the one who for some reason is obsessing over Greece crisis and crisis in Europe in general. It scares me to death and watch Europeans markets more than I do the US. Great post!

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Yeah – I guess the main point is the EU can survive losing Greece. However, the Euro wouldn’t last long if Ireland (smaller than Greece), Portugal, Spain, and Italy followed (all larger). That would be a significant problem, worse than Russia and Argentina combined.

  • http://www.ProfitsOn.com ProfitsOn

    European banks are
    heavily involved. So, Greece (really a beautiful country) is kept afloat with enormous
    effort. Nonetheless, a default is in the cards.

    According to some institutions,
    part of Europe would go in recession. Well, Europe is already contracting.  

    Yes, opportunities
    could be found in crisis, when the timing is correct.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      There is a fair amount of Greek debt outstanding and I imagine that a number of those investors would take haircuts – but I don’t think the entire amount of total Greek debt would be written off.

      If Greece goes back to the drachma I’m very interested in seeing how they handle the conversion of Euros by their citizens – think it’ll be orderly?

      • http://www.ProfitsOn.com ProfitsOn

        Leaving the Euro-zone will be Athens decision. Members cannot be forced
        to drop out and Greece is expected to stay in the E.M.U.
        The euro might decline
        until the event unfolds. Then, attention could once again be shifted
        to the huge U.S. debt.
        Of course, these are just hypothesis.

        • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

          That’s why this referendum thing is so funny – as soon as Greece’s PM said they were going to a vote, Sarkozy and Merkel started rambling about Greece deciding whether they really wanted to stay in the E.U. A little democracy must be a bad thing in the E.U. (And I mean ‘small d’ democracy, not a democratic republic like the U.S. where we don’t decide policy by polls but rather by electing people to conduct polls).

  • http://moneymamba.com JT

    Eh, I don’t really think it’s about Greece.  Greece is getting whooped-on because it’s testing the idea that sovereign debt issued in a currency that isn’t in direct control of a single nation is a good idea.  The Euro is inherently flawed.  It will never be a major reserve currency, and, in my view, probably doesn’t have a whole lot of staying power.

    Modern finance requires direct control of the printing press, which the Greeks don’t have.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      My man Milton Friedman (RIP) said “It seems to me that Europe, especially with the addition of more countries, is becoming ever-more susceptible to any asymmetric shock. Sooner or later, when the global economy hits a real bump, Europe’s internal contradictions will tear it apart.” Financial Nostradamus!

      Personally, I believe some country is going to leave the Euro soon, and eventually it might tear the currency apart. The fact that leaders are talking out loud about it w.r.t. Greece means that it’s probably been on the table privately for months now.

      And no, I don’t think it’s really about Greece, but the fact that the financial press seized on a Greek default is what set me off. Fact is, Argentina’s default was worse than a Greek default would be.

      Thanks for the comment!

      • http://moneymamba.com JT

        Wow.  That’s a heck of a quote. I love that guy; so ahead of his time.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002637635109 Frugal Toad

    I think the markets are concerned about Greece being able to manage the austerity program required under the bailout agreement.  Massive government layoffs are in the works and Greece along with the EU have been living the good life on borrowed time and money.  If Greece leaves the EU, and that is a possibility, then the real fear is that Italy and Spain are next. What happens after that is hard to know but it would not be good for investors.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      I don’t know what the markets should be more concerned about – Greece (and Italy, Sparin, Portugal and Ireland) not being able to handle austerity, or Germany and Finland getting sick of financing Club Med. I’m actually leaning towards the latter – the fact that the Eurozone even exists when there are huge attitude differences on finances between countries boggles my mind.

      I mean, realistically, you even have individual states in the United States complaining about some of the less thrifty states – witness Texas complaining about subsidizing California’s free spending ways. The U.S. is much tighter knit than the Eurozone – I just can’t see how an incredibly loose political union like Europe can manage a tight-knit financial union based on the Euro. Thanks for your comment!

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