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Should Art and Psychology Majors Pay Higher Student Loan Rates?

Posted By PK    Last updated October 27th, 2011 20 Comments

Sorry to pick on the Art Majors, but all of this discussion about President Obama’s Executive Order on student loans has pointed the country down an interesting path. Perform this thought experiment with me… The vast majority of student loans in the United States are federally backed. There are also $1,000,000,000,000 in student loans outstanding. This means that, in the event student loans aren’t paid, the debt will be borne by the general fund of the United States (read: taxpayers paying private and public colleges). Should taxpayers demand lower paying majors pay higher student loan rates? (If you are reading this in a rss feed reader or email, please click through for dynamic content).

 

Teasing Out the Biases

 

A couple caveats, before we dive in.  First, note that any discussion of the earnings of disparate majors is loaded with misleading information.  While Engineers and Math Majors undoubtedly earn more than Art Majors and Psychology Majors and Social Workers as a group, it is likely that STEM Majors (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) also drop out of the major at a higher clip than Art Majors.  Second, the stats I share are for Bachelor’s Degree holders…  it ignores the effect of advanced degrees.  Let’s look at the stats, which are from Georgetown’s What’s it Worth?  The Economic Value of College Majors report, made with information from the 2009 American Community Survey.  Enough said, to the charts!

Credit Ratings, Debt Forgiveness, and ‘No Credit Score’ Loans

In bankruptcy, it’s actually extremely difficult to discharge student loan debt.  While this can turn into a form of debt slavery where former students can get trapped under a mountain of student loan debt, it also holds down the actual student loan rates charged.  Before the law changed there were reports of strategic defaults to discharge student loan debts – convenient in the case of advanced degrees which require a longer time in college attendance.  Even though it seems to be an extreme law, it actually does allow lower rates on student loans and more issuers are willing to enter the market if there is no chance of a discharge in bankruptcy.

 

One issue with issuing student loans is it’s a strange market.  Issuers are deciding to lend five or more figures to students who often have little or no borrowing history.  That means that a concept like a credit score is pretty useless, since a lot of borrowers don’t even have a credit score.  That doesn’t mean there is no way of predicting they can pay back a loan – there is high variability in the salaries for the different majors, and for attendees of different schools (higher rated schools graduate students who earn higher salaries).  As I mentioned previously, it is somewhat tempered by the fact that the higher paying majors are generally more competitive and have a higher dropout rate.

 

So, Should Students Who Major in the Arts or Psychology Pay Higher Student Loan Rates?

 

Economically, they should absolutely pay higher rates, in line with the additional risk of not paying off the entire loan. In theory, it’s no different than a credit score being used to set rates on other debt.

 

Note there are two ways to not pay back a student loan.  One would be to discharge it, and short of a debtor dying or having their school close down, it’s a rare one.  The second one is to have the debt forgiven after 20 years (one of the provisions of the new Executive Order).  The new maximum payment on a student loan is 10% of salary (previously, it was 15% of salary and debt was forgiven after 25 years).  Taking these together, it is much more likely that a low salaried profession or a profession with lower job prospects is going to leave some of that loan balance unpaid.

 

Heartless?  This was an economic question!  Politics is the art of the possible, and the scenario I laid out won’t happen considering the huge number of Millennials who will vote out whomever tries to pass such a law. In fact, it is far more likely that the political powers at be will drift towards allowing student loan debt to be discharged in bakruptcy. That will probably be the death knell for the private student loan market, which is already on life support after the provisions in the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act became law.

 

I also left out an important point, which I will make now lest I am accused of being obtuse: it costs more money to educate an Engineer (or a Doctor) than an Art or Psychology Major.  That’s pretty much across the board: lab costs, teacher salaries, infrastructure, and everything else needed to deliver a diploma to Junior.  It is much more likely we eventually see some majors cost more (there is enough here for another article) than others – so some of the higher paying majors will end up with more debt after all.  Isn’t it ironic, yet strangely harmonious? Fire away at me in the comments.

 

And, to appease the Art and Psychology Majors, I leave you with this joke about Business Majors:

 

“There was a student who was struggling in Engineering. He dropped out and joined the Business School.  The GPA at both schools went up.”


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  • http://squirrelers.com Squirrelers

    Well, I’m a business school grad….I remember pre-med majors back in undergrad cracking jokes like that. Ah, the good old days of some light hazing are back :)

    Anyway, this is actually an interesting proposition.  Analagous to someone with a lower credit rating, if someone is less likely to pay back the loan, should they have a higher interest rate? The impact this would have on choice of majors and careers, if implemented, would be quite interesting.

    I’m probably not on board overall with the idea of higher loan rates for those majors (though I acknowlege the points made), but I think it’s a really, really interesting idea you’re presenting that could generate some good discussion.

  • JusSayin

    the prob is if the lib arts and such majors didnt get loans… where would we get wives from?

  • http://wealthinformatics.com Suba

    I am a computer+life sciences grad, not sure if it is relevant, just wanted to provide context.

    This is a very interesting proposition. I agree with Squirrelers, it follows the same reasoning as credit rating/loan interest relationship. I think this will instantly discourage people from choosing those major. I am not sure if that is good or bad. On one hand, it might keep these majors away from people who pursue them because they seem easier than math/engineering. But it might also shoo away genuinely interested people. 

    At the very least I think there should be a counseling session before they sign the loan, which includes an exercise where kids will collect data on the probability of job, different job options for the major, average salary, salary growth, basic budgeting and calculation of time to payback the loan with this salary.

  • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

    Suba – I took out plenty of loans, so I do recall taking the loan counseling sessio’.  However, for me (at USC in LA) it was more about what responsibilities I had during loan repayment than what I would have to make in salary to pay it back.  In fact, most of the session was about the various ways to delay the full repayment, or to take a payment hiatus.  I think you’re right – if students truly understood what professions paid, they would think twice before picking some majors!

    JusSayin – Plenty of males in those majors too!  I suppose that no matter the majors that two people in a marriage choose, they’ll both get the debt of the other one.  I guess it’s important to know who you’re marrying – whether it’s a female or a male.

    Squirrelers – Haha, I do keep business majors close to me.  Engineers tend to have a… different personality type.  Politically, I couldn’t get behind the variable rate for majors – but I don’t feel bad saying it.  If I ever run for office I’m already on record explaining why a gas tax isn’t that bad and the minimum wage is that bad.

  • http://twitter.com/kamarakroeker Kamara Kroeker

    This is an interesting concept!  I really enjoyed reading this post.

    Not only Arts majors, but we could really disect other areas of study as well.  I studied business at a school where there were several Trades majors.  In Canada (I’m assuming the US is similar) there’s a shortage of skilled trades workers.  And many graduates of trades programs go on to earn more initially than their business counterparts.  Auto mechanic grads went on to make 3x what I could right out of school. So should they pay a lower rate on student loans because they are more likely to pay back their debt at a faster rate?  I think there’s definitely a strong case for it.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Not mad at all about my stupid engineering vs. business joke?

      You’re right – there is a whole other universe of high paying trades out there, in the United States as well. Technical colleges are an option (pre-professional degrees… what a concept), or even just working your way into a job in a trade. The funny thing is the number of people getting degrees has coincided with less people being skilled in trades!

  • http://www.bravenewlife.com/ Brave New Life

    Yes, absolutely these majors should be charged a higher rate. Before anyone calls me hearltess, hear me out.  The effect of a higher rate will result in multiple changes:

    1. People will question whether college is important and a good ROI. For example, if you want to be an art major, do you really need college?  Could you not learn more and spend less by reading books, working in museums, volunteering to help successful artists, etc?  You would lack a degree, sure, but we need to start questioning what a degree means.

    2. Less people would go for certain majors, temporarily.  Universities that wanted to continue these fields would then drop prices, lessening the burden of student loan for graduates in a field that makes significantly less.

    I don’t consider this heartless at all.  What is heartless is brainwashing kids to believe college is a ticket to entry to a middle class lifestyle, telling them to follow their dreams while handing them debt that they are not educated enough to comprehend, then coming years later to collect when they have a worthless degree. 

    I have an engineering degree and paid off my debt in under a year.  But even with that said, I will tell you that I had no clue what I was getting myself into when I took out those loans.  I just signed and took the money because I was told college was required. I was luckier than many.

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  • http://twitter.com/kamarakroeker Kamara Kroeker

    HAHA, I love rivalry jokes.  I figure it’s just desserts considering all the fun I poked at Marketing majors! (I’m a Finance major)

  • http://mybrokencoin.com Aloysa

    I am usually all for equality. :) No, they should not be paying  higher rates. No one should. In fact, I am a strong believer that education should not be THAT expensive, forcing people to get into debt in hopes for better future.

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  • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

    Aloysa – I agree with your point that education should not be ‘that’ expensive… that’s the real trick, isn’t it?   When it comes to equality, it’s actually hurting Art/Psychology Majors and their ilk because they are cheaper to educate than the STEM, Pharmacy, Business etc. crowd.  That’s why I’ve got to follow this article up, haha.

    Kamara – They say that the limit as an Engineering GPA approaches 0 is Business.  Haha, in good fun.  We need business types where I work.

    Brave New Life – I think if rates were posted it might switch some of the less lucrative degrees to the higher earning degree category.  However, some majors are already a bad deal economically (unless scholarship money is on the table), yet students enroll in them anyway.  I love this: “believe college is a ticket to entry to a middle class lifestyle”, and I’ve actually told people that it’s part of the problem… a lot of students don’t know what they want to do with their lives and college can be a way of delaying a decision (while still ‘doing the right thing’).  I quoted this on Hope to Prosper before, but I’ll bring it back (way too much Fight Club around here):

    Tyler:
    My dad never went to college, so it was real important that I go.

    Narrator:
    Sounds familiar.

    Tyler: So I
    graduate, I call
    him up long distance, I say “Dad, now what?” He says, “Get a
    job.”
    Narrator: Same
    here.

    Tyler: Now
    I’m 25, make my
    yearly call again. I say Dad, “Now what?” He says, “I don’t know, get
    married.”

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  • CameronDaniels

    Aloysa, I also believe in fairness. No matter what income you make, what you are purchasing, your FICO, bankruptcy or credit history or amount of wealth, everybody should be forced to pay the same for credit.

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  • http://twitter.com/MoneyTrail MoneyTrail.net

    Very thought provoking.  I have read an article lately about whether parents should have a say in the major their child picks if they are paying the bill for college.  Theoretically they could prevent the child from picking a poor performing major.  It’s a tough call.  I can see the logical point that some majors are financially better performers than others but I also like to make everything “fair”.  I will definitely be pondering this more!

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      More controversial than it’s worth? Perhaps.

      I think it depends on how you define ‘fair’. As an engineer (and potentially biased), I did experience first hand the additional difficulty I had with my chosen major. Politically, I think it would be hard to enforce this rule (which is the price we pay for Government being in the loan market – every decision is now political), even if it made financial sense.

      Thanks for your comment!

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