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Should Engineers and Business Majors Pay Higher Tuition?

Posted By PK    Last updated January 23rd, 2013 28 Comments

Last time I angered all of you by asking if certain majors should pay higher rates for their student loans. Now I ask you a subtly different question: Should some majors pay more in tuition?  I ask you this question on the weekend, as it is lighter on math (for reasons that will be explained in this post), heavier on words (close to 1,100), and highly biased, being a Software Engineer and all.  Let’s not let that affect the daily editions of DQYDJ, okay?

The difference in my two questions is important: while Art and Psychology Majors (the two categories with the lowest earnings potential from Georgetown’s What’s it Worth?  The Economic Value of College Majors report) will have the least funds available to pay back student loans, some of the more lucrative fields of study come with a higher cost to educate per student.  For everything from guest speakers to books, professor salaries to lab costs, the majors with the highest salaries also tend to be the ones that cost the most.  This is a topic I’ve touched briefly before, but let’s dive into the deep end.

Higher Cost to Educate

A picture of a computer and various receiver boards.

Should This Student Pay Higher Tuition Than an Artist? (Jean-Etienne Minh-Duy Poirrier)

I waved my hands past a huge number of issues in the introduction, but let’s back up and go over a few facts.  For Engineering and Business and other high-salary Majors (let’s call them HSMs, and their lower salaried counterparts LSMs), professors are an expensive prospect.  They have to be – for a school to obtain high-value, high-authority professors, they need to offer competitive salaries to people in a field where salaries are already higher than average.  In order to attract talent to the school, Colleges have to be willing to spend to get it.

HSMs, especially STEM Majors (that acronym stands for Science, Technology, Engineering and Math) have increased costs in the form of a heavy laboratory aspect to their major.  Whether it’s oscilloscopes and processors, models and wind tunnels, or cadavers and dead animals, the costs of labs are pretty exorbitant.  Even with cheap help in the form of Teacher’s Assistants, the costs of educating in a major which requires hands on lab work is steep.

A Brief Note on Shared Costs

Even if the cost of college was more inline with costs to educate, the gap between majors might not be that much.  Sure, colleges have endowments, but it costs a fair amount to run athletic centers & pools, water gardens, clean buildings, and provide other resources which are open to all students.  Remember that some costs should be shared by all students – but perhaps a better question is, “how many of these resources should schools provide?”.  I can’t think of many schools that try to compete by offering less resources for a cheaper price – but if you know of any, please mention them in the comments section.

Supply and Demand

One argument against the scenario I am proposing is that it will lower the number of HSM graduates in America, exacerbating things like the so-called Engineer Shortage.  Whether you believe in it or not, note that:

  • The elasticity of higher education is a funny topic.  Higher tuition doesn’t affect enrollment much – and even news that people are graduating with more loan debt (because not everyone pays the same amount for college) hasn’t stemmed the flow of college freshmen.  See bullet three.
  • Most of the ‘Engineer Shortage’ (and other HSM shortages, like the Doctor Shortage), if it exists, is attributable to the fact that these majors are difficult academically.  In engineering, the number of engineers that graduate is 40% less than those who matriculate.  If you toss Pre-Meds into the mix, it’s as high as a 60% drop.
  • Even though there isn’t a good pricing model for college, we should assume that there will be some reduction in engineers due to any price increases.  This article in the Wall Street Journal states that families did spend less on education in the 2010-2011 year.

Reality Check

Some background on your favorite columnist: I graduated with a degree in Computer Engineering and Computer Science from the University of Southern California (Fight On!).  CECS is best compared to a dual major in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science.  Since then, I have worked in Silicon Valley as a Software Engineer.

The truth is, it already costs more to be a STEM major.  Between lab books, lab fees, books which are revised every year (technology changes quickly!), and the opportunity cost of math problem sets, programming assignments, homework, and studying – it’s enough to make many engineers long for the Liberal Arts school.  On the other side of the coin, individual departments tend to give out scholarships of their own separate from the main admissions department.  It’s also not completely even between the STEM majors – sure, Math majors need computing resources and software licenses, but a Biology Major is going to cost more to educate than a Math Major.

So, Should HSMs Pay Higher Tuition?  It’s a question for normative economics, but let me field it: no.  Yes, I get it, the ultimate lever to create more American HSMs is for companies to increase the salaries paid even further.  High salaries awaiting graduates would lure more students into the HSMs from the LSMs, and hopefully come with enough incentive for students to stay the course.  That could be balanced out some by changing (or eliminating) H1B caps to allow more foreign born HSMs, for example.

So didn’t I just basically argue that companies should pay HSMs with declared ‘shortages’ more, but colleges should also charge more?  Not exactly – price isn’t the only factor in this equation.  The difficulty of the Majors in question is also a huge problem.  If tuition was increased, students on the margin of believing they can make it as a HSM would drop – why pay higher tuition rates for a year if you’re going to switch anyway? I made a similar argument in describing that athletes are not overpaid. So, you see, my “no” is really just an opinion until a true pricing model for higher education is developed that factors in the difficulty of the subject matter.  So here’s my highly biased guess:

The elasticity of difficulty of major is greater than the elasticity of price of major.

Also, college endowments are a major piece of the puzzle. Colleges could be benefited greater by the increase in future endowment revenue streams from higher income graduates than from the increase in current tuition prices. This relationship is unclear… but while I was at USC the Engineering School received a number of high value donations.

 

Anyway, since this article doesn’t actually show anything except an Engineer thinks Engineers shouldn’t pay more tuition, I welcome any comments you have!  What do you think?


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  • http://twitter.com/CollegeInvestin Robert

    I think at a lot of schools, certain majors pay different costs.  Its not uncommon.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002637635109 Frugal Toad

    Absolutely!  I think software engineers should pay double, just kidding!  I think Robert is correct that at most schools different majors pay different costs as they should.  Lets face it, the University invests much more into the engineering department than the education department.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Haha… yeah, those software engineers are a huge problem…

      I do think some schools get less funding. The question is – why? Do you think my random theory makes sense – they are playing the long game and trying to get massive donations to the endowment?

  • http://twitter.com/101centavos 101 Centavos

    Something I hadn’t thought about, but on the face of it, I’d say no.  Without the human element, it’s hard to justify the future worth of a hard sciences degree.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      I had to throw it out there to be fair to the Psychology and Fine Arts Majors. Even though those Majors might have a greater chance to default, they are also cheaper to educate than Engineers (And Pre-Med, etc.).

      I don’t know how Math Majors work in – they are reasonably cheap to educate, compared to some of the other HSMs.

  • Andy Hough

    My law school tuition was much more than undergraduate tuition.  I think they charge more because they can rather than due to increased costs though.

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  • http://twitter.com/kamarakroeker Kamara Kroeker

    I was actually having a conversation with my friend yesterday about Grad School tuition fees.  She’s finishing her Master’s in Social Work, and paid $15,000.  I want to do my MBA, and I’m looking at $50,000 for an equivalent school/program.  Such a huge disparity is shocking.  But like Andy said, the schools charge more because they can.   

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Are you thinking of attending the same school? In the US, generally, schools will charge the same amount across Majors. I’ve thought about getting an MBA as well – just the BS in CECS for now.

      • http://twitter.com/kamarakroeker Kamara Kroeker

        Not the same school, but equivalent overall ranking.  Her school doesn’t have a good MBA program.  There are so many good schools here in Ontario, but they are crazy expensive.  Also, I don’t really feel like writing the GMAT.  That’s proably why I’m dragging my heels.

        • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

          Does it work like ‘public’ and ‘private’ in the US? If you’re in state here you can usually save like 50% by going to the state school – and with some schools (in CA, Michigan, Texas) the public school is very highly ranked.

          Do you think you’ll need the MBA? I’ve come to realize that if I want to flip from the technical track I can probably do it with just my current degree. Probably depends on the ‘close your eyes and imagine 10 years from now’ scenario, heh.

          • http://twitter.com/kamarakroeker Kamara Kroeker

            Unfortunately not.  There are only a few “private” universities, and public universities are just as expensive as the private ones.  We do have a lot of colleges that are starting to offer MBA’s, but not sure if the quality is there.

            Yah, I’m not so sure that I’ll “need” it, but it is something that would be nice to have…

  • http://moneymamba.com JT

    Wait, you mean government should actually charge a price for something based on market mechanics?  This is an outrage!

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Heh – maybe they should.

      Since the government dominates the student loan industry it would be interesting to see risk based pricing on their loans. Since students usually don’t have credit scores, Major is a pretty decent indicator (as is the actual University – job prospects, graduation rate).

      I expected more people to be mad that I argued for not increasing tuition on Engineers. I root for the home team.

      Truthfully, I want someone to do the hard work and come up with a (good) pricing model for college costs. Breath? Not held.

  • http://untemplater.com Untemplater.com

    I’d imagine the number of people who change majors at least once during college is pretty high.  While I’m sure colleges would love to take in more money for certain majors it’d be total chaos for them to maintain properly.  Charging lab fees doesn’t sound too bad though and that would probably be a lot easier to manage and could also weed out people who aren’t really serious about STEM career paths.  -Sydney

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Yeah, lab fees was the USC ‘gotcha’ when I attended. They weren’t a huge amount of tuition – I think the most I paid in a semester was $1,000 – but $1,000 is real money, especially to a college student.

  • Jackie

    I think the comments about higher costs could easily apply to several majors that aren’t known for producing high earners, too. For example, art, music, and architecture majors rack up huge costs in supplies, studio space, and lessons. I also disagree that certain majors should pay more.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Yeah, architecture especially… I went to the Architecture lab a few times. Pretty stunning stuff – but I guess it has to be, from a recruitment standpoint, haha. Thanks for the comment!

  • http://squirrelers.com Squirrelers

    It’s a free market. If that’s what determines, that some majors are more expensive than others, then so be it! It’s up to each of us to make that decision of value. Or, hopefully, parents to help kids with such big financial decisions, even if the kids themselves are taking loans.

    I think college is an entry ticket these days, so most people need to attend. However, where someone goes to school and how much they pay are important variables. Whatever the major.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      Yeah – I think the push towards fees is letting a market mechanism work. The issue is the incentives are so skewed due to the huge influence of student loans at sub-market (see my last article, heh) rates. Colleges have no market pressure to cut prices since there is no current danger of government closing the tap – and when it appears private companies are finding religion on student loan limits government takes more of the market.

      It’s definitely a slow motion trainwreck!

  • Darwin’s Money

    Good question!  I think a credit is a credit and let the free market determine who gets a job and how much they make (which in turn allows them to pay back their loans).  Let’s say you make it less expensive for artsy majors and more expensive for STEM.  Now you’re going to have even a larger assymetry in the market where you push even MORE students into careers where the demand isn’t there and FEWER students into the STEM disciplines.  Free market!

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      And higher salaries still for the STEM majors that run the gauntlet… heh. That would help me, in a way, since I already have my degree. Still, I don’t want to give colleges any ideas!

      I do like the comparable cost per credit, but I do recognize the growing price of fees.

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  • http://afford-anything.com Paula Pant

    My university charged higher prices for certain majors. They did it by college: the College of Arts and Sciences paid one rate. The College of Engineering paid a different rate. College of Business paid a different rate. College of Music paid yet another rate.

    A few students would “game” the system by taking all their core requirements in the cheaper college before switching to their “major” college for the coursework relating to their major.

    Still, it was a way that my university tried to compensate for the fact that some students legitimately had higher lab fees, etc.

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      I wonder how much of that gaming would be going on if more colleges switch to variable tuition plans? When I was at school it was strictly the lab fees and the additional cost of course materials that differentiated price between majors. I wouldn’t have been able to avoid the costs simply by switching to a different degree and flipping back – any time I spent out of Engineering would have made it more difficult to complete all the credit, haha.

      Did you see a lot of those people still finishing in 4 years, or did they take a little longer?

  • Penny Pinching Pro

    I think you also need to consider that STEM programs generally have more research funding available to them, which helps to offset some of the higher costs.  My university, like many, has seen a lot of funding cuts but it’s been really eye opening to see how a huge percentage cut in state funds results in a still large but much less significant percentage cut in the overall university budget because tuition and research still fund most of it.  As someone who double majored with one engineering degree and one degree that is borderline STEM, I don’t think the tuition costs should be changed.  I had times when I knew my costs would be higher because of lab or technology fees added onto certain courses or when I knew I would have to purchase my own supplies or software, and that did a pretty good job of it.  If I had been paying additional tuition AND purchasing a lot of project supplies I would have been fuming. 

    • http://www.dqydj.net PKamp3

      I didn’t want to make the point too strongly because it’s anecdotal – but what about alumni donations? You mention research funding, but when I was at USC there were a number of Name donations which raised a significant amount of money – more than the other schools.

      Maybe schools are trying to keep STEM majors happy to increase the likelihood of future donations? Talk about the long game!

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