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S&P Ratings Cuts in Europe

Posted By PK    Last updated January 19th, 2012 12 Comments

Well, S&P has finally done it – it cut the credit rating of nine European countries in response to the sovereign debt crisis in Europe. Two of those countries, France and Austria, formerly held AAA ratings, the highest grade which S&P assigns to sovereign debt (read: the lowest default risk). You know that DQYDJ thinks rating the debt of countries is silly because risk (default and debasement/inflation) is already priced in, but let’s humor S&P and take a look at how the world’s debt ratings now stack up. You can also see a similar map from the US debt ratings cut back in August.

Chart of the World, According to S&P Sovereign Debt Rating

S&P breaks down sovereign debt into a number of different categories, with AAA the highest and D being the worst possible.  In between, they allow pluses and minuses (+/-) to denote when a country is on the border between two ratings.  For this article, I have put every category into its own integer and graphed it – with D mapping to a 0 and AAA mapping to a 19.  The complete mapping follows (higher is better).

Refer to the above chart to check ratings – but darker shaded countries on the map have better debt ratings than the lighter shaded ones. Now would be a good time to click through to see this slick javascript we prepared for you!

Note, Many Eyes has open data so you can click through that map (or click here) to access what I uploaded. Let me know if you make any derivative work and I’ll link to it!

Not. Impressed.

I’m cynical about the whole ratings game, especially at the sovereign level.  Countries have political motivations to shoot the messenger and argue against ratings cuts instead of addressing the issues that led them to the cut.  Also, sovereign nations which participate heavily in the world economy also tend to release the most information about their internal finances.  You might not like the statistics they release, but there’s a lot to be said about open books.  It doesn’t change our idea, however, that the ultimate country credit score is the yield on their debt, not the letters assigned by some ratings agency.

How about you, dear reader…  How heavily are you invested in the Euro zone?  What’s your opinion on S&P or any ratings agency which deals with sovereign debt ratings?  Do you think people are less likely to invest in the larger more transparent sovereigns, (like the US), because S&P cut their debt below another country?  Weigh in below!


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  • Greg

    It looks like an ocean monster formed in the Arabian Sea, took a big bite of the Middle East, swam through the Horn of Africa devouring everything in its path, sucked in its gut to make it through the Panama Canal, and polished off Greenland for dessert. 

    You’re right about there being an information bias. Indeed, the countries with the most transparency have the most to lose. It’s like when Amnesty International remarks that the US imprisons a larger proportion of its population than anyone else does. Maybe that’s because Turkmenistan and Uganda aren’t exactly forthcoming with their data. 

    Risk of default differs so little between grades that it’s barely worth worrying about. The difference between Manx debt and American debt means next to nothing. Not so for the difference between Manx debt and Greek debt, which are separated by several letter grades. 

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      I know they aren’t ranked, but I’m going with ‘less than Greece’ for most of the countries on the monster’s path. The other big problem with the visualization is it tosses out a bunch of data points – like Guernsey – because the map doesn’t include them. Whatever, Guernsey rides Great Britain’s coat tails anyway.

      Isn’t that the big problem with stats across countries in general (I mean, leaving out demographics like with Simpson’s paradox)? France has higher life expectancy than the United States, but they also have less crime and count birth stats in a much different way. Some countries won’t count babies born at a certain level of prematurity to avoid hurting their stats. If we relied on stats for some of the less open countries we’d probably all be clamoring to move to North Korea.

      Also, I was happy to see America’s attic stay AAA. Good work, Canada!

  • http://www.101centavos.com/ 101 Centavos

    Invested in Europe? I’d have to make the distinction between European debt and hard assets.  Italian bonds, despite the tasty yields, I think are at moderate risk of default or at least revaluation.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      They’re got BBB+ on the Local and the Foreign Currency rating, but AAA on the T&C assessment (due to the Euro). I’m slightly wary of Italian debt, and I don’t think I’d seek it out.

      Not having an AAA from S&P is immaterial to me – Japan and the United States won’t default, even if they inflate. We’ll see how it all shakes out (how many bailouts can Greece receive?).

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  • http://www.financialgod.com/ FG

    A lot of big guns levelled at these messengers. Looks like Canada’s debt is a better buy these days. :)

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      America’s attic? Nope, America’s banker!

      I love seeing Canada reign with the best debt rating in North America – the irony isn’t lost on me, believe me.

  • http://www.financialgod.com/ FG

    I am really loving your style here btw. Great site!

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      You’re too kind – my style is somewhere between an info dump and a graph-heavy-word-light fantasy of made-up-hyphenated-words.

      I enjoy that people actually read it… Thanks for the compliment!

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