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The Roth IRA Loophole for Absurdly High Contributions (And No Income Limits)

Posted By PK    Last updated July 18th, 2012 16 Comments

I know the title sounds like I’m about to sell you some snake oil, but bear with me for a second here.  Some bloggers have discussed the inherent unfairness of the Roth IRA‘s contributions – namely, being capped at $125,000 for a single filer and $183,000 for a joint filer in 2012.  Other have discussed the backdoor IRA – building on a 2010 rule change which allowed people of any income to convert IRAs (and other eligible accounts) to Roth IRAs.  We’re going to bypass both of those and talk about how you can contribute over $30,000 to your Roth IRA – with the only requirement being that you have access to a 401(k) with certain features.  Read on…

401(k) Limits

The reason for this flag is obvious, isn’t it?

In 2012, an employee can contribute $17,000 as an elective deferral to a 401(k).  However, 2012 contribution limits are actually capped at $50,000.  That includes employer matching contributions and employee after-tax contributions.

The key to this method is that last piece of the puzzle, employee after tax contributions.  Not all 401(k) plans allow this little twist on the traditional 401(k), but if yours does, it usually works something like this:

  1. Contribute the maximum elective deferral ($17,000)
  2. Receiving matching funds from employer ($6,000 for a 6% match on $100,000 salary, for example)
  3. Contribute the rest of the $50,000 in after-tax contributions ($27,000)
  4. Move onto the next step (obviously, don’t proceed if the next rule doesn’t apply)

Now What’s the Secret Step?

The key to the whole strategy is a wonky little feature of 401(k) accounts known as “in-service withdrawals”.  All but the most liberal of 401(k)s will lock down the money that you contribute on the elective deferral side, but a fair amount of accounts will allow in-service withdrawals of certain types of money – usually rollovers from previous employers and (more importantly) after tax contributions.

You’re not quite done, but if your employer offers both of those features (or, alternatively, some types of rollovers) you’re well on your way.  Usually, however, in-service withdrawals are limited over a certain time frame – and the most common limit is one per year.  With that information in hand, you’re ready for the final step.

Step 3 – Profit!

Now, noting how often you can perform in-service withdrawals, it’s time to take action.  Because of tax changes in 2010, you can roll over withdrawals from a 401(k) directly into a Roth IRA.  Note that you contributed your after tax funds… well… after tax, so you don’t have to pay income taxes on that part of the withdrawal.  On the earnings?  You do, but note you can take a tax loss if you lost money in the meantime.  So follow me through:

     $27,000 in rollovers
+  $5,000  in regular Roth IRA contributions

_________________________________
$32,000 in Roth IRA contributions in 2012

Now, I make no claims that it’s worth getting a Roth IRA in your situation, and go talk to a financial adviser before you attempt this maneuver.  You’ll also need to pour over your company documents and probably verify with someone in the administration of your 401(k) plan.  Also check out Fairmark.com’s article on the topic.

So, there you have it – I spelled out a way for even high earners to contribute absurd amount of cash to a tax-free account (at the point of withdrawal, anyway).  As Judge Learned Hand once famously stated, “Any one may so arrange his affairs that his taxes shall be as low as possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which will best pay the Treasury; there is not even a patriotic duty to increase one’s taxes. “  Go avoid taxes in a completely legal way, you patriot!

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  • http://twitter.com/familymoneyblog John Preston

    How dare you teach people how to invest more money into their retirement accounts. Have you no shame?

    It sounds easy enough. Accept coming up with $50k to save every year. Not quite as easy as extinguishing student loan debt though.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Heh, I guess it depends on your match? And yeah, this method is one of those “it helps to make more money” sorts of strategies…

  • Dominique Brown

    This post is awesome. I was going to use our ROTH IRA’s to fund our future child’s education expenses, but I could only contribute 10 per year.. this is so much better. Amazing post.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      I hope that means that you have both of those features available, heh. There is a way to do it with a self-directed 401(k) rollover too, but you’d have to research that method a bit.

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  • Dominique Brown

    There is a bit of a problem with the execution of this PK.

    I took your ideas and tried them on two 401k’s (my wife’s and my mother’s)

    The problem lies in how can you contribute 27k after tax dollars and tax advantage of the employee match. When I analyzed the two aforementioned 401k’s I noticed that the employer contributions are spread out over a 12 month period. So, if you fund the 401k completely in say the first 6 months of the year you will miss out on 6 months of “free money”. In my mother’s case she receives a huge bonus in January and has the ability to fully fund her 401k out of that bonus, unfortunately her company will only contribute when she contributes to her 401k forcing her to using a dollar cost averaging strategy.

    I then though of another way to use this strategy, but it doesn’t work unless you have a large large salary. Most 401k’s all you to contribute up to a certain point of your paycheck say 80%. So you can get all the free money by setting your 401k contributions at 17% for 11 months then in the last month contribute 80% of your salary. But.. 80% of a 100k salary won’t get you 27k after tax. It’s better than nothing but, I can’t think of how this is possible with a 100k salary.

    Thoughts?

  • Dominique Brown

    As I hit send I just realized I’m an idiot. The problem I posed is solved by merely saving the money throughout the year.. but, will a 401k allow you to contribute after tax contributions in a lump sum of 27k?

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      I think you figured it out (although the correct answer is contribute AT LEAST the match each pay period), but it’s all up to the company. A number of companies will just match the first 6% – so if you make $100,000 and put $17,500 in your first paycheck they’ll just put the $6,000 up. Unfortunately, you’ll have to dig through documents or call the 401k or HR on that one, sorry.

      A simpler way, if you have earned income would be to do it in a self-directed 401(k). Just allow in-service withdrawals and pay yourself into the 401(k), then ever January 1st or whatever, roll it into the new account? I think that would work well too – but I’d read into Fairmark’s article as they had a few examples.

      • Dominique Brown

        See that’s the thing.. my wife and my mother’s 401k won’t contribute their match in a lump sum

        • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

          Yeah – you’ll have to space it out, I guess. Alternatively, get in a massive battle with HR, haha.

          That’s great that they have in-service exchanges and the allowance for after-tax money though – not all plans have both. My plan stops me at the contribution limit, unfortunately (which is funny because they allow in-service withdrawals!).

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  • Jim Phelan

    PK, this is a great article. My employer offers after tax contributions and twice per year withdrawals. I would love to use the technique you describe. However, according to the article at the link below:

    http://www.goodfinancialcents.com/can-you-roth-ira-rollover-rules-from-401k/

    “You must be separated from your employer to roll your 401k into a Roth IRA. You CANNOT do this if you are still working for the same company and/or employer (unless your over 59 1/2).”

    What gives?

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Hi Jim, note that Jeff is talking about normal contributions, not after tax contributions, a ‘loophole’ which has only recently made itself apparent. Note the difference – these after tax deductions are on top of a maxed out 401(k) in certain plans. I can’t help you on the details of your personal situation, but here’s how to find out:

      I would suggest calling your 401(k) provider or HR directly and asking them about in-service withdrawals and after-tax contributions. Ironically enough, my employer offers the former but not the latter – so I couldn’t even use this strategy if I wanted.

      But yes, HR and/or your plan administrator holds the key.

  • makosblade

    How is there a benefit to doing this over contributing your maximum contribution amount to a Roth 401k? It just looks like more work to get your money in a tax free account.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      More work, certainly – but the main benefit is keeping more money free from the drag of taxes after you hit the limit on your Roth or Traditional 401k ($17,500 this year).

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