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Offense Wins Games… Defense Wins Championships

Posted By PK    Last updated September 17th, 2012 17 Comments

Coach PK: “If we hold them to negative points we can win this championship!”

“Offense Wins Games… Defense Wins Championships” – Horrible Quote.

I don’t know who said it originally… but I always hated that quote. In my mind, if you win every game with a strong offense, what difference does defense make?  If your defense is good enough for your offense to prevail, well, then you’ll prevail.

On that note, I have more than half a million dollars in debt and I only pay the minimum payments.

Sports, Life, and Finances

As you probably know from reading the ‘About’ page on this site, all of the writers on this site are huge Patriots fans.  The Patriots just happened to play in the 2012 Super Bowl.  If you asked me, “PK, who won the Super Bowl?” and I answered “The Patriots gave up 21 points,” you’d probably say, “you’re not giving me the full picture”.  Absurd, right?  Yet every day we read stories from Debt Bloggers which only tell half the story.  (For the record – the Patriots only scored 17 points.)

That’s right – as the second most prolific writer on this site recently reminded you, Personal Finance is a holistic look at all types of financial matters as they relate to your life.  We may argue light-heartedly about the meaning of ‘savings’, but we agree that Personal Finance boils down to four things:

  1. Inflows
  2. Outflows
  3. Assets
  4. Debt

All four topics are also closely linked.  If offense outweighs defense?  You’ll quickly gain assets.  If the reverse is true?  Debt is soon to come.  However, note the unique position of defense on the board – even if you have perfect defense (outflows are zero) you won’t necessarily gain assets.  Only inflows can lead to assets… defense can only cover up for poor offense, yet it can never replace it.

There are altogether too many blogs which concentrate on one of the four categories – Debt.  You see, I categorized the four topics as I did to group them by function.  Inflows and outflows are a measure of how well your offense and defense are currently performing – roughly, “are you bringing in more money than you are spending?”.  Assets and Debts are ‘total scores’, sort of like a scoreboard at the game (if teams could lose points).

The Perils of Listening to Yes-Men

Hopefully you understand the point I’m trying to make.  These debt blogs which have become so popular… are dedicated to the singular obsession of paying down debt, even when record low rates (on student, real estate, and car loans – I’m not talking about your 20% APR credit card) suggest you should invest your money elsewhere.  Worse, people who try to talk about inflows and outflows – such as suggesting to heavily indebted people new ways to earn money, or telling those same people to think twice about exotic vacations – are shouted down, proving that collective obsessional behavior is still with us.  Any mention of increasing assets?  Sacrilegious!

If you want to hold yourself accountable for your past mistakes, you need to encourage dissent on your site and actively welcome dissenting viewpoints.  Grooming a bunch of like minding sycophants achieves one thing – attracting people to your site who think like you.  The problem with that?  Thinking like you got you into the mess.  If you just want to write to inspire yourself to think without the hassle of smart dissenters, there is already a medium that supports that.  It’s called a ‘diary’.

I’ll Take a Strong Offense

In the Bay Area we have an ironic saying about a million dollars – it’s “not a lot of money”.  Extending the snark, people at my favorite Bay Area real estate blog like to call $500,000 “half of not a lot of money”.  Sarcasm aside, telling you that I’ve got a lot of debt only tells half the story.

Here’s the rest of the story: If the game ended today, I’d win.

Are you only worried about one of the four pillars of Personal Finance?  Have you observed group-think dominating the discussion on what should be easily solvable issues?  Do you focus too much on paying down your debt to the detriment of other aspects of your finances?


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  • Jacq

    Well… I’m just guessing here but I think it’s because most people don’t know how to invest or increase assets properly (and it takes work and a certain risk orientation) whereas spending less and paying off debt is an easy no-brainer.

    I’ve spent the last few years reading my brains out and learning to love the stock market. Best hobby ever for someone as lazy as I am. :-) BUT had I done this years ago and put more of my cash into it and less into paying things off and actually less trying to increase my income in jobs where working a lot didn’t really pay off that well, I would have been financially independent years earlier. It’s a mistake I’ll make sure my kids don’t make.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Maybe you’re right. Maybe I’m just cynical.

      I hope that I can impress on people that there is more than one path to increasing net worth – once you fill in the whole, what do you do next? Getting out of debt is a hurdle – one of many on the path to financial independence.

      That’s a good point about jobs – not everyone is going to rise to VP or Director level. Finding yourself in mid career as an individual contributor (for our white collar readers) or a tradesman (for our blue collar readers) doesn’t mean it’s over. Like you said, making good decisions over a long period of time makes more of a difference than your terminal salary.

      Anything you’re interested in seeing on the stock topic? I’ve been treating it mostly superficially lately, with little more than mid term S&P predictions.

      • Jacq

        I don’t invest in the S&P or indices. The potential gain / loss is too much out of my control since it’s due only to macro-level causes. Individual stocks however, I can find a good price for. Honestly, I think most of these frugal-zealous people would make great value investors. If they’re compelled to analyze something, way better to analyze a stock that’s selling at 1/2 price than contemplating TP squares.

        My only issue is with cyclicals and knowing how to play them sometimes – sell a bit and take some profits when they go up 10% in 2 days because someone played Super Mario in Europe? Or not? That’s like being a 2-day trader which sort of “feels” like it’s the wrong thing to do. But I don’t really care about the means, I care about the end. I’d just like to have a good algorithm / method that works 75% of the time. :-) I’ve read one lady that does a ton of range/swing trading on Seeking Alpha but she doesn’t write articles. :-(

        • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

          Well, I can’t help you with range and swing trading, but let me recommend one: deep value. I don’t know a method which boasts as many successful adherents as value investing.

          The issue? It takes forever, longer than most people have patience, I’d say. If you went value yet still had an itch to trade more frequently you could carve off a portion of your portfolio to try something like range or swing trading though.

  • http://twitter.com/pfblogwatchdog Bichon Frise

    As Jacq says, people are either unedumatcated, indolent or some combination of the two about investing. Although, I find it to be not as difficult as those in the know make it seem (e.g. Lawyers always speaking in Latin).

    I also carry a lot of debt (mainly mortgage), but only make the minimum payment. I just wrapped up a refi last week and I am thinking about another. As long as I can get my cash flow up. Of course, it is much easier to think this when you have cash you COULD use to pay off the debt if you had to. Opposed to my student loans which were very low (like 0%) and I paid off very quickly. I was uncomfortable and it did literally keep me up at night. Not worth the lost sleep, IMHO.

    I do agree about the Yes-bluggers. 95% of the comments on blugs, come from bluggers in the same space. Why do people love their competition so much? They don’t, they are just trying to get traffic. I personally enjoy the discussions. I caught a blugger last week spreading falsehoods. I left a comment telling them why what they were saying was incorrect, with links to the actual rules (from gubimint sites). They deleted the comment and the followers are now on a Kim Jung-Il (or whoever the hell is in charge of that country now) type of propaganda. They don’t care about what is true or reality, they care about chasing some euphoria where they all “retire” blugging full time, putting up the same affiliate links as each other and visiting each others’ sites all day everyday.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Legum servi sumus ut liberi esse possimus (You forgot doctors, although I’m more concerned about the Greek-rooted word ‘Ideopathic’)

      Right – you have enough cash flow to service the debt, yet you invest it elsewhere. There is no need to pay it off – but I agree, if debt has psychological effects on you it’s better to get it off your chest. Not worth losing sleep, if that’s what it comes down to in the end. I guess I’m blessed (cursed?) with not having that problem. (Note I’m fully subscribed to the ‘credit card zero’ school of thought.)

      Some of the yes-bloggers probably avoid this site since Disqus makes you click twice to get to a commenter’s site. That’s a no-no if you’re trying to encourage the one line comments.

  • AverageJoe

    It’s good to see Bichon back!

    It’s interesting. While getting out of debt is popular on the “little blogs” have you noticed that the big boys by-and-large stay away from the topic? When they do address it, they’re talking about behavioral change, not procedures.

    How ’bout those Patriots this week, huh? Rockin!

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Yea, Bichon was conspicuously absent! Welcome back!

      I wonder where we fit in blog hierarchy? And what does a debt blogger do at net worth zero with no assets except a receipt? Retire?

      Don’t remind me. USC lost too. Rough week!

  • JT

    I see group-think right here. So far, the comment section is full of people who completely agree with you that you cannot focus on one thing exclusively. What is this?!

    The people who are focused entirely on debt tend to be very religious types who reference religious reasons for paying down debt. There’s nothing wrong with that. But I think it’s a perspective that a lot of people will never fully comprehend. I’ll admit I’m not totally in line with the whole religion in my money thing. So whatever I read from that perspective won’t ever make sense to me.

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      It’s a conspiracy!

      I don’t only see it on religious sites. Yes, there’s a certain current of ‘debt is evil’ thought – from my favorite saint to the Romans (13:8) “Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.”. Still, there are other passages which warn against borrowing at usurious rates, but in my amateur estimation it’s not expressly prohibited.

      Most of the debt sites I see are of a more secular persuasion. So I get it – Permanent Income Hypothesis in a nutshell. Take out tons of money when you’re younger because you’ll make more money over a career. However, if you spend 100% of your free cash on servicing debt (whether you’re paying a minimum or paying more than you owe), you aren’t accumulating assets.

      And what do you do when you finally pay it off?

    • 101 Centavos

      Group-think is a bit inevitable when like-minded people congregate. The trick is to disagree with passion, and then still have a beer afterwards.

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  • Value Indexer

    It sounds like personal finance blogs are finally catching up with the big media… spreading lots of stories that are mindlessly entertaining and more likely than not to lead people in the wrong direction!

    I think that illustrates the value of the saying in the title though. Take someone who habitually spends 120% of their income, double their income, and what do you get?

    • Value Indexer

      One other thing that needs to be said… those blogs are like cheerleaders. They’ll do a lot to get attention but if you get distracted by them you’ll lose the game :)

    • http://www.dqydj.net/ PK

      Someone who spends 60% of their income, ignoring tax? Of course, the sort of person who would spend 120% of their income would probably scale up their spending too…

      I agree though on the state of the PF realm. Come in, make avoidable mistakes, don’t take advice, produce unfollowable advice… profit!

      • Value Indexer

        But but but once they get a buyout like GRS they’ll pay off all their debts! You know it’s a solid plan.

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